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Obama Official Warns Russia on Military Action in Ukraine

Topic: Pro-EU Protests Erupt in Ukraine

WASHINGTON, February 23 (RIA Novosti) – A senior US official on Sunday warned Moscow not to send troops into Ukraine amid the political crisis gripping Russia’s ex-Soviet neighbor, saying such a move would constitute a “grave mistake.”

“It’s not in the interests of Ukrainian or of Russia or of Europe or the United States to see the country split. It’s in nobody’s interest to see violence returned and the situation escalate,” White House National Security Adviser Susan Rice said in an interview with NBC’s “Meet the Press."

Rice’s comments followed a report by the Financial Times last week quoting an unidentified senior Russian official as saying that Moscow could intervene to protect ethnic Russians in Ukraine’s Crimea territory, home to a Russian naval base.

“If Ukraine breaks apart, it will trigger a war. They will lose Crimea first [because] we will go in and protect [it], just as we did in Georgia,” the official was quoted as saying in a reference to Russia’s 2008 war with Georgia over the breakaway republic of South Ossetia.

Rice said in Sunday’s interview that the situation in Ukraine “is not about the US and Russia” and that closer Ukrainian ties with Europe would not come at the expense of the country’s historical links with Russia.

“There is not an inherent contradiction … between a Ukraine that has longstanding historic and cultural ties to Russia and a modern Ukraine that wants to integrate more closely with Europe,” she said.

Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych on Saturday abandoned his lavish estate in the wake of bloody street clashes between security forces and anti-government protesters last week that evaporated his authority in the capital Kiev and broad swathes of the country.

Ukrainian lawmakers impeached Yanukovych on Saturday, though he remained defiant in a statement issued the same day from a location in his political stronghold in the east of the country, describing attempts to unseat him as a coup.

Rice said that Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed with a message delivered by his American counterpart, Barack Obama, in a phone call between the two leaders Friday.

“The president’s message was, look, we have a shared interest in a Ukraine that remains unified, whole, independent and is able to exercise the will of its people freely,” she said.

In a telephone call with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Sunday, US Secretary of State John Kerry expressed the United States’ “strong support” for the Ukrainian parliament’s decision to transfer presidential duties to speaker Oleksander Turchinov, the State Department said in a statement.

Kerry also “underscored the United States’ expectation that Ukraine’s sovereignty, territorial integrity and democratic freedom of choice will be respected by all states,” the State Department said.

Lavrov told Kerry, meanwhile, that the Ukrainian opposition has “effectively seized power,” refuses to lay down arms and “continues to place its stake on violence,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

Lavrov emphasized to his US counterpart that an agreement signed Friday between Yanukovych and Ukrainian opposition leaders calling for early presidential elections and constitutional reforms must be enforced, noting that the United States welcomed the deal at the time.

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·                              zoran.jelinichard time

01:26, 24/02/2014

glove is thrown in the face of Russia , do not react decisively now , and that means only by military , it will mean disaster for Russia and all Slavs , there is a limit of humiliation that can not be exceeded , since than decline rapidly goes , all these analyzes and variants on the situation in Ukraine are counterproductive , now becomes normal to talk about coming NATO troops in Ukraine , it should not be allowed , 20 million of people were killed in the battle for the border of the Soviet Union , one inch of Ukraine should not be left, not to talk about the division , to the enemies all fits, whatever they get, get the Russian , clearly needs to be said to the west, Ukraine will not be in the EU or NATO , the Soviet space should be defended by all means , with so much a pro- Russian population in Ukraine that it is fed into the western sphere of influence , arrogance and aggression unprecedented , this disaster happened and because those who wish to destroy Russia are called partners , long time ago it was necessery to show to all enemies what are borders which can not be crossed

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·                              bielecWhat a nerve!

02:02, 24/02/2014

Obama is the last person entitled to issue such warnings to anyone. It is the United States of America and its allies that are regularly sending what essentially is "troops" to countries like Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya or Syria. Obama did not warn Saudi Arabia not to send its troops to fight peaceful protesters in Bahrain. Obama did not warn Israel not to send troops to Gaza and West Bank, and Lebanon. Obama did not warn Turkey or Qatar to stop recruiting, supporting, arming, and training terrorists operating in Syria. Obama did not warn Europe to stop bombing a legitimate government forces in Libya. Obama's troops are believed to have assassinated former Prime Minister of Libya Muammar Gaddafi and are regularly using drones to kill political oponents in other sovereign countries. Obama has no credibility in this area and his "warnings" shall only be understood as the voice of a proven enemy of Russia.

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·                              ruypenalvaRussia should intervene

02:12, 24/02/2014

Russia should intervene (with troops) if needed to protect its interests in Ukraine as USA would do if such a situation were in Mexico.

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·                              rochefortfrancois(no title)

02:20, 24/02/2014

For the interest of the humanity, it is imperative to preserve or regain statu quo between Russia aligned nations and US aligned nations. Those poeple in Ukraine are being manipulated in a way not to favor warming relashionship between Ukraine and Russia. Don't beleive in coincidences. Russia has a navy base in Ukraine and Syria. Is strange to see that those two countries are in flame.

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·                              arsan_lupinHave any of you actually READ the entire article?

03:59, 24/02/2014

These journalists worked hard to write as factual and balanced and rational an article as possible, concerning this crisis. Before you vilify it, shouldn't you actually READ it?

“It’s not in the interests of Ukraine or Russia or Europe or the United States to see the country split. It’s in nobody’s interest to see violence returned and the situation escalate,” White House National Security Adviser Susan Rice said.
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“Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed with a message delivered by his American counterpart, Barack Obama, in a phone call between the two leaders Friday: “We have a shared interest in a Ukraine that remains unified, whole, independent and is able to exercise the will of its people freely.” 
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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov emphasized to his US counterpart that an agreement signed Friday between Yanukovych and Ukrainian opposition leaders calling for early presidential elections and constitutional reforms must be enforced, noting that the United States welcomed the deal at the time.”

So what’s the problem?

With no outside interference other than US, EU, AND Russian politicians voicing their opinions, the Ukrainian people spoke! After some horrible bouts of violence on both sides, president Yanukovych mercifully signed an agreement with the opposition to stop the violence, thanks to the help of mediators from all sides. The Verkhovna Rada followed the law and impeached (indicted) Yanukovych. The story is far from over, but at least the fighting has stopped. We can only hope that our friends in Ukraine find a future that is best for THEM. Please, let Ukraine decide what it wants to be!

Ranting about conspiracy theories accomplishes nothing but degrade your own credibility – the world knows better. Please – give it a rest.

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o                                       bielecFor the first time,...

10:02, 24/02/2014

...I agree with you on one idea - let the Ukrainians decide about their future. However, I find it not very cridible that you really believe in what you hear from any White House official. Do you really think that they would openly admit the real goals in Ukraine, if the real goals were to replace the democratically elected president with a pro-Western puppet that will allow pipelines from Qatar and Saudi Arabia to cross Ukraine on route to Europe and will allow NATO military bases to be placed on Russian borders? They have plotted and lied since the bombing of former Yugoslavia, through 9/11, the war on Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and now, Ukraine. This is not a conspiracy theory. Conspiracists are those who try to deny it and sweep the truth under the carpet.

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·                              bielecUnfortunate but true conclusion

05:24, 24/02/2014

Someone here has recently mentioned the role of Jews in inciting the unrest in Ukraine. Someone talked about Nuland, Tymoshenko, and others. Although I usually avoid generalizations and pointing my finger at any minority, many historical facts seem to support this observation.

Jews have a reputation, based on facts, of being highly organized and disciplined in all efforts aimed at gaining power and influence that are later used to exploit local populations. This explains why Jews as an ethnic group, were often persecuted and thrown out of countries that had first welcomed them and allowed them to settle. There is no smoke without a fire. Many other minorities live together and contribute to the general good of their host countries. Not Jews, who sooner or later try to corrupt the system, infiltrate the elites, gain power, and squeeze local residents like lemons. The lates stage can be observed in Western countries as we speak. Local economies are destroyed, populations are being pauperized, looting, corruption and speculation are everywhere, monopolization and price gouging replaced government control and regulations. Jews run many local political parties' associations and monopolized the fund raising for election campaigns. Jews select and appoint the candidates on which people later "vote".

Jews are known to work diligently for any power in exchange for privileges. They have infiltrated the Bolshevik revolution in Russia and gained complete control at higher levels of KGB and other similar services in Soviet satellite countries. They have served in SB - the Polish secret police that tortured and killed many Polish patriots after WW2. They have prepared, since 1976, the "Solidarity" movement in Poland by running the KOR organization that defended workers persecuted for political reasons. They have quickly taken over the "Solidarity", then claimed to represent the nation in the so called Round Table Talks, followed by free elections in which former communists received immunity and privilages and Jews took over major political positions and major media outlets in the country. They have led the way to the sellout of Polish national resources and industries that were later bancruped to make way for Western products, Western investors and Western banks. They are still controlling political power in Poland.

Jews plotted, intrigued, and used their organized networks to run most of the so called colour revolutions and most of the NGOs in the post-Soviet sphere, promoting Soros's "Civil Society" - a fifth column designed to circumvent democracy and remove democratically elected governments that did not want to serve the Western masters. And Jews are behind the Neo-Nazi organizations destabilizing Ukraine today. 

Just like in the other cases throughout history, there is no doubt that also in Ukraine, these alleged "humanitarian" efforts are exclusively political in nature. After so many examples, people should not be blind or blindly following these highly skilled manipulators. And definitely, Ukrainians should not elect them to any positions of power. Ukraine should be for the Ukrainians - this was the position of President Yanukovich, for which he may now be persecuted by the same Jews who spilled Ukrainian blood around the EuroMaidan for their own gain.

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• • FabriciusFederalisation of Ukraine
    18:10, 24/02/2014
    Federalisation of Ukraine seems to be the only solution before a slauter and another genocide of all the russian speaking of Ukraine. It will give a leverage to the extrem right or puppet opposition in kiev and force them to listen or risk to loose the other part of the country (est and south + crimea)! just do like switzerland, one country, 2 languages (french/german)... and it works pretty well! do it quick before it turn really nasty....
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• Mikhail1228Putin not losing sleep!
  17:00, 24/02/2014
  I don't think Putin will lose any sleep over comments made by Rice, Obama or McCain. It would take Russia less than 6 hours to invade eastern Ukraine and neutralize any threat to its Sevastopol base and ethnic Russians in Ukraine.
  
  Russia and China are the founding member states of The Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) an intergovernmental military alliance of mutual security.
  
  Shanghai Cooperation Organization Forces:
  
  Active personnel 5,325,000
  Reserve personnel 7,675,000
  Available personnel for immediate activation and Conscription 192,039,958
  
  Total of personnel 205,039,958
  
  The economic and numerical might of China, together with the military prowess and nuclear arsenal of Russia.
  
  Again, I don't think Putin is losing any sleep!!!
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• Mikhail1228Karma is a bitch!
  17:14, 24/02/2014
  People and lives devastated by EU austerity measures have been glued to the news about what has happened in Ukraine. The new American concept of democracy is that when an elected government makes a major decision many dislike, the people should take to the streets, shut down and set the capital ablaze until the authorities reverse course or resign! The spillover from this will backfire on the EU. Karma is a bitch!
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• BlizzardWhat a thugs are USA
  17:29, 24/02/2014
  As EU citizen I feel ashamed, embarrassed and angry of what is going on in and around the Ukraine. I personally do not see any problem in removing a despots such as Yanukovych: Actually I welcome them when they are made in civilised way and without any external influence never mind meddling.
  
  It was clear to all of us in EU that Ukraine was due to become hotspot on the world's political map as that was a country that too many strive to use just for the one single purpose – to weaken and degrade Russian influence in the region and in the world.
  
  Despite more than two decades since cold war officially ended, Russia is still considered as arch enemy of the West. NATO never accepted Russia as non-threatening and piece loving neighbour and therefore in their unchanged doctrine still stands that Russia is arch enemy of the free world and should be destroyed as such. The problem was that Russia does not pose any threat to NATO and that fact was driving many member states to soften such hard approach. Reason for that is that NATO had purpose and goals during Cold War, but since Cold War officially ended, there is no more viable reason for maintaining such belligerent organization, only to US insistence and pressure it stayed further. However as far as US is concern Russia should be reduced to rouble of small independent countries hating each other and who would be in permanent, economically ever depleting, war. As such they would become easy pray for ever stalking and bullying American Government and corporations.
  
  During Yeltsin's infamous period of ruling US gained access to all Russian strategic resources and all for a bottle or two of cheap spirits. That schizophrenic and drunkard of Yeltsin destroyed whatever was worth in Russia and offered for sale to USA. Only Putin's arrival stopped that madness and he successfully kicked out USA by taking back all that they stole. That was a top humiliation for USA and they will never forget it or forgive.
  
  Now Ukraine become new battlefield which was simply said “dream come trough” for US. They are just now ending very unsatisfactory campaign in Afghanistan and Irak and are “gloriously” pooling out leaving all in rubble and hundreds of thousands of dead civilians behind them. As one US senator short time ago said: “Let us declare victory in Afghanistan and let's get the hell out of there”.
  
  That sentence describes American attitude more than anything else. US are selfish and intellectually as well as socially underdeveloped bully, who thinks that it can do all what it wants and that all it does is the right thing, no matter if international community agrees or not. Americans reserve their right to intervene wherever and whenever they declare that either their national interest is at stake or national security threatened no matter how small and unimportant enemy might be (Grenada, Panama, Nicaragua and so on, the list is too long), they will use all their might to lessen culprit. As every bully they are unintelligent and believe that the force is ultimate resolve of all problems.
  
  As the Ukraine is former USSR Republic it is obvious that it is in Russian sphere of dominance and influence and that Russia will never go easy over that if Ukraine becomes member of NATO. Now they needed new scenario how to extract Ukraine from the Russian influence by presenting it as a people's will. Ukraine was already in huge internal turmoil as the local thugs, criminals, oligarchs and corrupt politicians were robbing own nation and depleting already poor economy.
  
  It is my belief that US agencies were already operating in Ukraine searching for dissatisfied and rebellious people who might take on the streets when that moment come. There are to many indications that West did all they can to oust Yanukovych and replace it with some marionette such as Klitscko who is all over Angela Merkel. I am German, and I follow our newspapers, magazines and our TV where such small print details pop out from time to time. Our most prominent Der Spiegel is often very direct and truthful, which is not a case with most of other newspapers, and there they also assume that US might be deeply involved in Ukrainian affair.
  
  It is extremely cynical and hypocritical when US speak about their view of the situation and when they warn other against something that is their way of life. US has no moral hight to advise other what to do. I found it extremely stupid to say the least, when US diplomats expressed hope that Russia will not stop their financial help to Ukraine and will pay next 2 billion USD now when the new pro Western government is in place. It is very clear in politics that when someone is pro one side than is automatically against the other. There is no other option especially if the interests of both sides are opposite to each other.
  
  It seams to me that everyone in Western world of politics is living in accordance to image of Russians created by Hollywood where every Russian is portrayed as complete imbecile and stupid as a rock. All of them treat Russia as such by expecting that Russia will just forget 20 billion USD of Ukrainian debts and on top of that infuse additional 15 billion and sit quiet and watch how new pro-Western government spits over them. I think that all of them will be soon in for a shock when they realise that Ukraine will have to repay overdue 20 billion USD in one go and that there will be no money coming from Russia.
  
  Dear readers, ask yourself how much would be inclined our Iron Lady to financially support Ukraine if she recently buried Cyprus for much less money. Please pay close attention to the fact that our economic institute calculated that Ukraine would need direct investments way in excess of 4000 (Four thousand) EUR in the period of 15 years in order to bring Ukraine to the EU average. Please can anyone with a modest decency tell that this is going to happen? No Ukraine is used as a tool to undermine Russian influence and image.
  
  US would do anything they can to harm Russian national interest as well as economic. Now they are first to speak loud that Ukraine cannot be divided even though recently they instigated separation and declaration of independent Kosovo region. It seams to me that eastern part of Ukraine is better off than western agricultural side and therefore they are concerned that only poverty will come onto their burden. If the principles of self-determination are applicable in other cases they should be applicable in all other cases. There are no cases more just than the other. Rights are equal and applicable to the all.
  
  If West of Ukraine wants pro Western government and the East not than there is no other solution than to draw the new border line, regardless what USA and EU want. They should get the piece of cake which is designated for them and nothing more.
  
  If Russia decides to intervene militarily in order to protect civilians who are asking for their protection than it is their moral and legal obligation to do so. There is simply no case for US to meddle with Ukraine and to orchestrate events as it would suit them. They are common thugs and as such do not to be considered as any reasonable voice. They are all the time trying to secure their own interests regardless of the other nations opinion.
  
  Just for the end PLEASE WATCH AND LISTEN TO THIS SPEACH it is worth every minute you will spend.
  
  http://www.ted.com/talks/mikko_hypponen_how_the_nsa_betrayed_the_world_s_trust_time_to_act.html
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  • Mikhail1228Very good post!
    19:33, 24/02/2014
    Thank you a very good post!
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  • R.Deus-von HomeyerRE:MUCH TO DO ABOUT NOTHING!
    19:40, 24/02/2014
    iF Obama,merkel and other Western politicians are meddling in Ukraine,it does NOT matter at all!
    
    
    Sooner or later Ukraina will comprehend,that it is because of GEOPÒLITICAL reasons,their BEST partner is and will be Russia.
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